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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Jun 14, 2011 11:57pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Lazy River Road and other Late Could-Be-Great Ones

Micah raised an interesting point in the thread on that dreadful '94 show, pointing out that Lazy River Road, which I rather like, just didn't work in stadiums. I have to wonder how the need for songs that worked in stadiums impacted their ability to produce great new material. (Along, of course, with all the familiar issues -- boredom, health, the changing scene, etc.)

Anyway, are there any studio versions of LRR? I didn't think they recorded it, but could be spacing on something. What about JGB? Did they ever do it? It's really nice acoustic on 9/24/94 ... are there more acoustic versions? It seems like such a natural for that.

http://www.archive.org/details/1994-09-24.paf.sbd.zelner-vernon.14071.sbeok.flacf

Obviously I don't know much about that song, but I think of it as one of a crop of last late blooms that really showed the old GD soul shining through -- along with So Many Roads, Days Between, and (earlier) Black Muddy River. Maybe some others I'm forgetting. Anyone have favorite versions of some of those?

For the record, I actually like Jerry's Old Man voice. It can have so much depth and poignancy. I way prefer his work with Grisman, though. Haven't heard enough 90s JGB to have an opinion on that, so any leads to easily streamable JGB shows would be great (e.g. something that works song by song and not the whole show, cuz of my buffering issues.)

This post was modified by AltheaRose on 2011-06-15 06:57:34

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Poster: unclejohn52 Date: Jun 15, 2011 11:42am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Lazy River Road and other Late Could-Be-Great Ones

I'll just toss in a couple more for consideration, even though they might not fit the "late" criteria - which I'm assuming you means post 90 - but they are great. Standing on the Moon is an amazing song, and quite unique (at least for our favorite band) in the way it takes on political issues so overtly, yet wraps itself in a love song. Foolish Heart is another to a lesser extent, tremendous lyrics, certainly speaking to their state of mind at the time! Maybe not a concert door-buster, but the acidic lyrics come spewing out like Dylan...

Shun a friend, shun a brother and a friend
Never look, never look around the bend
Or check the weather chart
Sign the Mona Lisa with a spray can, call it art
But never give your love my friend unto a foolish heart

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Poster: lobster12 Date: Jun 15, 2011 12:47pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Lazy River Road and other Late Could-Be-Great Ones

I got a rare- for the time - To lay Me Down in Foxboro. On some level it seemed out of place due to the size of the venue but I was so pumped when they did it because it was my only one.

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Poster: clementinescaboose Date: Jun 14, 2011 11:54pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Lazy River Road and other Late Could-Be-Great Ones

I know there are studio rehearsals of LRR and Days Between included on the So Many Roads compilation boxset. The LRR I find to be quite beautiful and better than any live version I know of. Also I really like the 'So Many Roads' on SMR from Solider Field (although its heavily edited) it's the one piece of music form that ill-fated show i can actually enjoy. As far as other favorite live versions of these songs, well, you know my level of expertise on this ;-)

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Jun 15, 2011 6:28am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Lazy River Road and other Late Could-Be-Great Ones

The So Many Roads one is on YouTube here. Put together by someone for his Deadhead mom. What a good boy! An inspiration for all! And really beautiful:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1A6m0suUwIY

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Jun 16, 2011 8:29pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Lazy River Road and other Late Could-Be-Great Ones

A good boy.
3/14/93 is here as well:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hx1irqElF_s

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Poster: bkidwell Date: Jun 15, 2011 2:11pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Lazy River Road and other Late Could-Be-Great Ones

I think the only late-late Garcia tune you didn't list is "Liberty" which isn't as well-regarded as the others. I think it is actually a very fine effort in the upbeat, whimsical mood of songs like Ramble On Rose.

Liberty was almost always played as an encore, and for some reason the encore slot was always a big source of complaints. I don't quite understand this, because in general encores in all genres of music usually tend to be "short & sweet & easy" like a post-meal mint. Of all the typical Deadhead gripes, "throwaway encores" is one of the most peculiar to me.

The fall '94 tour (which followed that nice acoustic phil & friends linked in the initial post) is the last of the "ice blue roses" that bloomed in the winter of the final years. When I want to listen to versions of the final set of songs, it is usually where I go. There are a few missed lyrics, but this version of Liberty at Boston Garden makes a nice conclusion to one of several fine shows from that tour, and there is an emotional So Many Roads in the first set where Jerry changes the vocal improv lyric to "Heal my soul" instead of "Ease my soul":

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1994-10-01.sbd.gorinsky-miller.31992.sbeok.shnf

For Lazy River Road as well as the underrated and jazzy Eternity, the great show a few days later at the Philly spectrum where Jerry stayed onstage jamming all the way through drums has versions I enjoy (and don't miss the Standing on the Moon!):

http://www.archive.org/details/gd94-10-05.sbd.unknown.6483.sbeok.shnf

For the Days Between, the penultimate show of the tour at the Madison Square Garden has a nice moody version that coalesces out of a long space, and the first set has Phil's wonderful "Childhood's End" which is a really nice and very overlooked song, in contrast to his other not-so-great late songs. The band's final original, and Phil did a great job on the lyrics: "Scouting unknown borders under multicolored moons, in the wildest flights of cosmic mystery, rang a single soaring tone that strung the sky in tune..." yup that was the Grateful Dead. SBD is hissy but listenable. Make sure to pay attention to Weir's incredibly well-done sustain-crescendos in his accompaniment to Days Between:

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1994-10-18.sbd.wiley.8708.sbefail.shnf

I have always thought that Days Between is almost a rewrite of "Mountains of the Moon" because both use G as a tonic and feature harpsichord sounds and have a somewhat medieval, flickering-torchlight mood in both music and lyrics.

This post was modified by bkidwell on 2011-06-15 21:11:01

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Poster: Chiney Cat Date: Jun 15, 2011 11:49am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Lazy River Road and other Late Could-Be-Great Ones

My thoughts exactly...

http://www.archive.org/post/257531/days-between

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Jun 15, 2011 1:25pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Lazy River Road and other Late Could-Be-Great Ones

Throwaway encores? See Day Job:

http://artsites.ucsc.edu/GDead/agdl/djob.html

Hunter, in his Box of Rain, notes that

"This song was dropped from the Grateful Dead repertoire at the request of fans. Seriously."

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Poster: stratocaster Date: Jun 15, 2011 5:34am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Lazy River Road and other Late Could-Be-Great Ones

8-21-93 or 9-22-93 are probably the two best versions of lazy river...

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Poster: Dudley Dead Date: Jun 15, 2011 7:37am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Lazy River Road and other Late Could-Be-Great Ones

I thinks the late Jerry songs mentioned right up there with the earlier stuff .
How many 60's rock figures were, in the 90's were writing songs that could be in the same room with their earlier material ? I am reading Keith Richard's' book right now , and though I love the band, what have they written in the last 30 years that cold be compared with anything from their golden era (Exile <) .
Not too many Paul McCartney songs , since Band on The Run , would be "Beatle worthy" ( there are a few ). Dylan, and Neil Young are the only one that seem to, every so often, come up with stuff that can stand on its own merits .
All this makes Garcia's death the more sad .

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Poster: Diamondhead Date: Jun 15, 2011 10:37am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Lazy River Road and other Late Could-Be-Great Ones

How many 60's rock figures were, in the 90's were writing songs that could be in the same room with their earlier material ?

I would vote for Paul Simon. From Graceland through Rhythm of the Saints to even his most recent one. My kid just gave me So Beautiful or So What which he just released, and I'm amazed and pleased that a 70 yo dude can still be so creative. This is coming from one who is not all that far behind him. :)

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Jun 15, 2011 10:56am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Lazy River Road and other Late Could-Be-Great Ones

Pete Townsend occasionally comes out with some really good stuff. Don't think if I'd put it near the same level as the classic Who period, but considering his longevity, I still gotta give him major props.

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Poster: Dudley Dead Date: Jun 15, 2011 11:55am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Lazy River Road and other Late Could-Be-Great Ones

"Empty Bottle" is pretty good album, I wish he would stay a solo artist and I I wish he would have dissolved the Who after Quad., and saved us from that Super Bowl experience , numerous "farewell" tours and the like .

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Jun 15, 2011 12:26pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Lazy River Road and other Late Could-Be-Great Ones

And most certainly after Entwistle passed. God was sending them a rather big sign to move on but apparently they missed it.

And yes, the Super Bowl show was absolutely terrible. I don't think anyone will ever come close to U2's performance.

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Poster: Dudley Dead Date: Jun 15, 2011 1:50pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Lazy River Road and other Late Could-Be-Great Ones

... I had a feeling I screwed up , the albums is called "Empty Glass" , not "Bottle",
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empty_Glass
Apologies to Pete etc.

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Jun 15, 2011 1:55pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Lazy River Road and other Late Could-Be-Great Ones

For me, Empty Glass is a fantastic effort. Love that one.

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Poster: Diamondhead Date: Jun 15, 2011 2:06pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Lazy River Road and other Late Could-Be-Great Ones

I don't see this any differently than Further. Pete and Roger have a deep connection and want to play together. What are you going to do when you're over 65 anyway? :)

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Poster: Dudley Dead Date: Jun 15, 2011 12:02pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Lazy River Road and other Late Could-Be-Great Ones

I respect Paul Simon, his craftsmanship, and intelligence etc.... But his post S&G output doesn't move me, frankly I find him a little boring, but I guess that is my problem .
Sorta related, is who among the old guys still can attract the interest and/or respect of young people . Dylan, Neil Young, and the late period GD still did, while the latest albums by Simon, and say, McCartney, are ( unfairly ) ignored .
I worked at Tower Records for 2 decades and change, ( was there when "the whole shithouse went up in flames" ) , and it was always interesting who among the older artists the "youngsters" ( I was born in 57 ) liked , or even knew about .

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Poster: high flow Date: Jun 15, 2011 12:19pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Lazy River Road and other Late Could-Be-Great Ones

Not to mention he stole material from Los Lobos. A mark against him which I cannot overlook when I hear his music. I absolutely loved Graceland until I heard Steve Berlin's account of LL's uncredited contributions to the album. To which Simon responded, "you can't prove anything...sue me".

Garfunkel wore the pants anyway.

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Jun 16, 2011 8:22pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Lazy River Road and other Late Could-Be-Great Ones

Weighing in on this belatedly. It's a gorgeous song, another hypnotically beautiful song. Can't deny, though, that it's hard to find listenable versions. I never even knew it existed pre-Archive. Yes, it's in the "could have been great" category. I would like to see someone else truly do it justice. Does Furthur ever do it?

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Jun 16, 2011 11:20pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Lazy River Road and other Late Could-Be-Great Ones

I don't think I did, either. There are a lot of things I either never heard or didn't notice before I discovered the archives. For instance, I apparently heard Picasso Moon more than once, cuz the set lists tell me so, but it certainly didn't stick in my memory banks. (Or I blocked out the trauma, LOL, in the case of that one.) Now I wish I'd paid more attention post-Jerry and just pre-post-Jerry, but oh well.

Here's Furthur doing Lazy River Road. OK but not super strong -- although it's hard to tell with all the people TALKING (sheesh! do they think they're at a piano bar?) -- but maybe they've worked it up since.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ddjv_wRFCV8

I gather Ratdog also does it.

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Jun 17, 2011 7:50am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Lazy River Road and other Late Could-Be-Great Ones

Thanks. I agree not super strong. It seems like something they ought to be able to do better, but it needs work.

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Poster: Iceblueroses Date: Jan 16, 2012 2:26pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Lazy River Road and other Late Could-Be-Great Ones

Love Lazy River Road and the version on So Many Roads Box Set is sweet.

Furthur with John Kadlicek on lead vocals has done justice to the song So Many Roads. Do not miss the version from the recent show at Madison Square Garden in November 2011 with Larry Campbell on fiddle. I go back and forth between that version and the version GD did that is also on the SMR box set. While I would not compare the two, both are great.

So Many Roads Boston Garden on YouTube is worth watching as well.